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HeWhoDads's avatar

Hey Sean, thank you for your article. I am a baby Catholic who is still learning much of my own traditions but I have a quick question that will help me understand your position a little bit better.

What do you mean by the church? I guess I am trying to figure out if it is a visible church. More specifically, is the early church a visible church? I hear you on consensus over time, but I have a knee jerk reaction to ask about all the other things this visible church came to believe or taught over time consensus? Why trust this church on the canon and not on prayer to the saints? I guess it’s a silly question as I am not too familiar with Anglican teachings but I hope you understand what I am trying to get at.

Cheers!

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Eric Anderson's avatar

Your read of Horn’s position seems implausible to me. You accuse him of positing “sheer fiat,” but he wants to distinguish his view from one that would have the Church “create” the canon. Why would he bother to distinguish “declaring” from “creating” if “declaring” just ends up being “sheer fiat”?

I wonder if you’re not missing a distinction somewhere along the line, and setting up an opposition where there isn’t one. For example, if someone asks why they have to believe in the Trinity, one kind of answer is “because it’s true,” and another kind of answer is “because the Church has dogmatically declared it and you’re Catholic.” (Protestants only accept the first kind of reason as infallibly binding, of course.) But if someone said, “well, HOW we know it’s true doesn’t matter all that much because given that the Holy Spirit protects the Church from error, if she declares something, it necessarily must be true,” that would totally noncompetitive with thinking there are in fact really good grounds beyond the Church’s authority to think a thing is true. So it can be the case that the Apostles play an indispensable role in revealing the canon, even if we aren’t sure all the nitty-gritty of how that worked out, because at the end of the day the results of their labors and that of their disciples have been declared trustworthy by the Catholic Church.

This seems like a pretty reasonable take that doesn’t involve the prima facie absurdity that Horn would distinguish his view from “creating” the canon and then immediately defend a sheer fiat view.

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